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20 5.6.10 at 3:04am #1 online_
We've been through three seasons of this bullshit, yet there's still no protocol for when this happens or an adequate enough response team/person to get them out quickly.

Is there any legitimate reason for not allowing us to play off client?
0 5.6.10 at 3:07am #2 lpkane
we don't "get them out quickly" for fun, or because we're fucking around with other stuff, we don't "get them out quickly" because it's a difficult task that takes a significant amount of time depending on the complexity of a given valve update

the legitimate reason for not playing off client is that it allows us to enforce cvars and deal with the, admittedly small, chance that we need to catch a cheater in tf2
6 5.6.10 at 3:10am #3 online_
.. and if both teams agree to play off-client?
0 5.6.10 at 3:11am #4 lpkane
absolutely not
5 5.6.10 at 3:11am #5 online_
sound reasoning
0 5.6.10 at 3:13am #6 lpkane
you asked for a legitimate reason for not allowing teams to play off client, i gave you one, then you proceeded to ask anyway

where's the confusion here
10 5.6.10 at 3:17am #7 online_
"the legitimate reason for not playing off client is that it allows us to enforce cvars and deal with the, admittedly small, chance that we need to catch a cheater in tf2"

congratulations, your client has caught a total of ONE tf2 cheater in the past year+ and managed to miss a completely blatant cheater in a tf2 pugs (who your management team decided to completely ignore and is still not banned to this day).

from this it's pretty easy to conclude that:

1) your client is a pos (likely)

or

2) there are no cheaters in tf2

either way we can see that the client is completely unnecessary and serves to do nothing more than punish teams that already have scheduling issues as it is.

it's getting pretty frustrating every season where we end up having 3+ weeks of matches to make up by the end of the season because of your refusal to let us play off client in the event of an update.
-14 5.6.10 at 3:20am #8 chizz
Referenced post #7 by online_
"the legitimate reason for not playing off client is that it allows us to enforce cvars and deal with the, admittedly small, chance that we need to catch a cheater in tf2"

congratulations, ...your client has caught a total of ONE tf2 cheater in the past year+ and managed to miss a completely blatant cheater in a tf2 pugs (who your management team decided to completely ignore and is still not banned to this day).

from this it's pretty easy to conclude that:

1) your client is a pos (likely)

or

2) there are no cheaters in tf2

either way we can see that the client is completely unnecessary and serves to do nothing more than punish teams that already have scheduling issues as it is.

it's getting pretty frustrating every season where we end up having 3+ weeks of matches to make up by the end of the season because of your refusal to let us play off client in the event of an update.Read More
#7
whine more you wont get your way.

there is no reason you cant reschedule


BTW kane, can you please take a look at my premium status. I paid and it was active now its gone =/
2 5.6.10 at 3:20am #9 PUG_POLICE
Referenced post #7 by online_
"the legitimate reason for not playing off client is that it allows us to enforce cvars and deal with the, admittedly small, chance that we need to catch a cheater in tf2"

congratulations, ...your client has caught a total of ONE tf2 cheater in the past year+ and managed to miss a completely blatant cheater in a tf2 pugs (who your management team decided to completely ignore and is still not banned to this day).

from this it's pretty easy to conclude that:

1) your client is a pos (likely)

or

2) there are no cheaters in tf2

either way we can see that the client is completely unnecessary and serves to do nothing more than punish teams that already have scheduling issues as it is.

it's getting pretty frustrating every season where we end up having 3+ weeks of matches to make up by the end of the season because of your refusal to let us play off client in the event of an update.Read More
#7

youtube.com/watch?v=IUH3JQjcweM



prepare yourself.
5 5.6.10 at 3:21am #10 breathe
lol i can't -frag this guy
9 5.6.10 at 3:23am #11 online_
do any of you idiots even play tf2?

get out, thanks.
0 5.6.10 at 3:23am #12 lpkane
one cheater caught is more than enough to validate requiring the client to play matches where money is at stake

as for the cheater you're referring to, the client is constantly being improved and as tf2 pugs (and soon scrims) get more popular it'll have the capability to catch even more tf2 cheaters
0 5.6.10 at 3:23am #13 lpkane
Referenced post #10 by breathe
lol i can't -frag this guy
#10 is new, lol
-3 5.6.10 at 3:26am #14 chizz
Referenced post #13 by lpkane
#10 is new, lol
#13
plz
-3 5.6.10 at 3:30am #15 PUG_POLICE
Referenced post #13 by lpkane
#10 is new, lol
#13

oh elpekain, u so crazey
4 5.6.10 at 3:30am #16 breathe
Referenced post #13 by lpkane
#10 is new, lol
#13 first no tf2 matches tonight, now my freedom to -frag, what's next esea?
1 5.6.10 at 3:31am #17 romeo_love
I don't see why you couldn't make an exception when both teams agree... especially in invite where most of the players know each other and have been playing against one another for a long time.
0 5.6.10 at 3:32am #18 lpkane
Referenced post #17 by romeo_love
I don't see why you couldn't make an exception when both teams agree... especially in invite where most of the players know each other and have been playing against one another for a long time.
#17 ->
Referenced post #12 by lpkane
one cheater caught is more than enough to validate requiring the client to play matches where money is at stake

as for the cheater you're referring to, the client is constantly being improved and as ...tf2 pugs (and soon scrims) get more popular it'll have the capability to catch even more tf2 cheatersRead More
#12
7 5.6.10 at 3:33am #19 cyzer
Zero cheaters have been caught in the 3 seasons of ESEA TF2... very validated.
0 5.6.10 at 3:35am #20 lpkane
Referenced post #19 by cyzer
Zero cheaters have been caught in the 3 seasons of ESEA TF2... very validated.
#19 catching one is more than enough for me
2 5.6.10 at 3:35am #21 douche_bag
I feel ya enigma.
Although only in open, we were given till thursday to reschedule our matches we weren't able to orginially play due to client issues. And on top of that we tried to get one of them down today, and client issues again. Really annoying, I'd heard about the infamous client issue problems and in my first season of ESEA It seems like its slapping me in the face.
5 5.6.10 at 3:36am #22 online_
"one cheater caught is more than enough to validate requiring the client to play matches where money is at stake"

is the astronomically slim chance that someone decides to cheat off-client in ONE match, in a league where finals are held on LAN, in a broadcasted match watched by hundreds of spectators, and when POV demos are required worth the expense of piling up makeup matches that most likely won't get played?

"as for the cheater you're referring to, the client is constantly being improved"
yeah, good joke buddy.
4 5.6.10 at 3:36am #23 blackbanjo
shitty client, shitty servers, and braindead admins


business as usual at ESEA
0 5.6.10 at 3:37am #24 lpkane
Referenced post #21 by douche_bag
I feel ya enigma.
Although only in open, we were given till thursday to reschedule our matches we weren't able to orginially play due to client issues. And on top of that we tried to get one of them ...down today, and client issues again. Really annoying, I'd heard about the infamous client issue problems and in my first season of ESEA It seems like its slapping me in the face.Read More
#21 just to be clear, by "client issues" you're referring to the fact that valve updates tf2 at night (est) 4 times in one week?
1 5.6.10 at 3:37am #25 PUG_POLICE
images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_for...





My spidey senses are tingling. Someone's getting banned before this thread dies
2 5.6.10 at 3:37am #26 douche_bag
No
Referenced post #24 by lpkane
#21 just to be clear, by "client issues" you're referring to the fact that valve updates tf2 at night (est) 4 times in one week?
#24, hes referring to the fact dinosaurs eat the esea client when you go to use it.
-5 5.6.10 at 3:38am #27 chizz
i wish i could play esea but my premium has been stripped for no reason
0 5.6.10 at 3:38am #28 lpkane
Referenced post #22 by online_
"one cheater caught is more than enough to validate requiring the client to play matches where money is at stake"

is the astronomically slim chance that someone decides to cheat off-client ...in ONE match, in a league where finals are held on LAN, in a broadcasted match watched by hundreds of spectators, and when POV demos are required worth the expense of piling up makeup matches that most likely won't get played?

"as for the cheater you're referring to, the client is constantly being improved"
yeah, good joke buddy.Read More
#22 you said slim, that's good enough for me

and if you don't believe the client is being constantly improved that's your opinion, as someone who actually is privy to the ongoing developments i'll beg to differ

Referenced post #23 by blackbanjo
shitty client, shitty servers, and braindead admins


business as usual at ESEA
#23 you are in no way being forced to play here lol
0 5.6.10 at 3:39am #29 lpkane
Referenced post #26 by douche_bag
No #24, hes referring to the fact dinosaurs eat the esea client when you go to use it.
#26 thank you for clearing that up
0 5.6.10 at 3:39am #30 lpkane
all this activity on the tf2 forums, i'm loving it, progress ladies!
0 5.6.10 at 3:41am #31 douche_bag
Yea, dinosaurs are an epidemic at the moment. Sharp teeth and shit.
1 5.6.10 at 3:41am #32 onetouch-
how about fixing the predictions for tf2 matches at least...

The score you predicted is invalid due to the fact that neither team's score is equal to the amount of rounds needed for either a regulation or single overtime win.
0 5.6.10 at 3:41am #33 mustardoverlord
Referenced post #18 by lpkane
#17 -> #12
#18, if both teams agree to play off-client, and there's a cheater, that just means that a team is agreeing to give up their money

if they made that deal, who cares, other teams that know the dude is cheating can play on-client
0 5.6.10 at 3:41am #34 lpkane
Referenced post #32 by onetouch-
how about fixing the predictions for tf2 matches at least...

The score you predicted is invalid due to the fact that neither team's score is equal to the amount of rounds needed for either a regulati...on or single overtime win.Read More
#32 should be fixed by tomorrow
2 5.6.10 at 3:42am #35 online_
we are however paying customers and your complete neglect of our concerns combined with your glaring incompetency reflect piss poorly on esea as a business
0 5.6.10 at 3:42am #36 tim
Referenced post #23 by blackbanjo
shitty client, shitty servers, and braindead admins


business as usual at ESEA
#23 You do realize your paying to play on this so called " shitty " service right,i mean honestly use your head my man. Also where can you find anything better then what ESEA provides,if your gonna make a comment at least think about it first.



Referenced post #27 by chizz
i wish i could play esea but my premium has been stripped for no reason
#27 Your ticket is flagged for the only person who can help you so sit tight.
0 5.6.10 at 3:42am #37 lpkane
Referenced post #33 by mustardoverlord
#18, if both teams agree to play off-client, and there's a cheater, that just means that a team is agreeing to give up their money

if they made that deal, who cares, other teams that know the dude is... cheating can play on-clientRead More
#33 that's not our policy, we prefer to have all matches played on client for our league matches for the above reasons
-2 5.6.10 at 3:42am #38 chizz
Referenced post #36 by tim
#23 You do realize your paying to play on this so called " shitty " service right,i mean honestly use your head my man. Also where can you find anything better then what ESEA provides,if you...r gonna make a comment at least think about it first.



#27 Your ticket is flagged for the only person who can help you so sit tight.Read More
#36
ive already ripped all my hair out
0 5.6.10 at 3:43am #39 lpkane
Referenced post #35 by online_
we are however paying customers and your complete neglect of our concerns combined with your glaring incompetency reflect piss poorly on esea as a business
#35 then don't play in our league? why would you pay and support something you so clearly don't want to be a part of, that's kind of the definition of idiocy don't you think?
2 5.6.10 at 3:43am #40 online_
and for all you cs kids: this isn't the same game dipshits

Last modified on 5/6/2010 at 3:43 am
0 5.6.10 at 3:44am #41 lpkane
Referenced post #40 by online_
and for all you cs kids: this isn't the same game dipshits
#40 please continue to get angry over a video game that you cannot play over the internet, it's highly entertaining
-2 5.6.10 at 3:44am #42 chizz
Referenced post #40 by online_
and for all you cs kids: this isn't the same game dipshits
#40
despite what you may think
competition is competition

should the NFL play without refs? nah
should esea matches be played off client? nah

get at me kid, cry some more

Last modified on 5/6/2010 at 3:45 am
1 5.6.10 at 3:45am #43 online_
"policy"

if you haven't been able to comprehend, what i'm suggesting is a change to your "policy" so that playing off client won't be against your "policy" anymore
0 5.6.10 at 3:45am #44 lpkane
Referenced post #43 by online_
"policy"

if you haven't been able to comprehend, what i'm suggesting is a change to your "policy" so that playing off client won't be against your "policy" anymore
#43 unfortunately for your situation, i disagree with you and believe the policy is the correct one
0 5.6.10 at 3:46am #45 tim
Referenced post #43 by online_
"policy"

if you haven't been able to comprehend, what i'm suggesting is a change to your "policy" so that playing off client won't be against your "policy" anymore
#43 Cs kid here,what would make people not cheat as soon as the only thing that stops them is removed?, or is the tf2 community way to good to cheat?.
1 5.6.10 at 3:48am #46 Sarah_Tonin
Well it's becoming more and more apparent that not playing the league is the only solution to this impasse.

Because CLEARLY the constant improvements to the client aren't enough for the people who's anti-virus software still thinks it's a virus, or the inability to get the damn thing to work both during and after an update.

In addition to all this, the scrim finder that should have been there from the beginning STILL is nowhere to be seen.
4 5.6.10 at 3:49am #47 online_
oops my mistake

turns out the esea client hasn't caught anyone at all

lol!

i40.tinypic.com/12512qh.png
2 5.6.10 at 3:49am #48 Sarah_Tonin
And why not just change your policy so that people have to submit demos if they choose to play off-client. Peer speculation has proven to be a better anti-cheat than the client since it's caught more than one person over the last three years including someone who had been playing ON client.
-1 5.6.10 at 3:50am #49 chizz
Referenced post #48 by Sarah_Tonin
And why not just change your policy so that people have to submit demos if they choose to play off-client. Peer speculation has proven to be a better anti-cheat than the client since it's caught more ...than one person over the last three years including someone who had been playing ON client.Read More
#48
looking like cheats and being cheats are two totally different things
0 5.6.10 at 3:50am #50 lpkane
Referenced post #46 by Sarah_Tonin
Well it's becoming more and more apparent that not playing the league is the only solution to this impasse.

Because CLEARLY the constant improvements to the client aren't enough for the people who's... anti-virus software still thinks it's a virus, or the inability to get the damn thing to work both during and after an update.

In addition to all this, the scrim finder that should have been there from the beginning STILL is nowhere to be seen.Read More
#46 due to one of the methods the client uses to catch cheaters (in all games) it's extremely common for it to show up as a false positive and the fix is extremely simple -- add an exception to your av for it or temporarily your disable your av

tf2 scrim mod is in the works and we've already started testing it and i apologize if you've been led to believe it would be out sooner as i haven't even made an official announcement about it in the first place
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